If you have been reading my blog for a while, or know me in real life, you also know the struggles that I have raising 5 spirited children.
I don't think that they aren't normal children. I know that there is a lot of them. close in age. and lets face it if terrible 2's are bad, 2 terrible 2's are worse. let alone 2 terrible 1's and 2 terrible 3's. (yes I am a true believer that each age carries it's own challenges...who ever coined the terrible two's should have included that terrible two's is only the beginning)I know someone who believes they hit every 2 years. Terrible 2's, terrible 4's, terrible 6's.
Either way I'm totally fucked. I have kids every 2 years.
Ok. SO. I have checked out, read, googled, and bought so many different types of material for parents searching for the answers. Searching for an end of a behavior that I should have at least a bachelors degree in child psychology. yet none of it seems to have really answered anything. I must have missed that day or something.
It starts with Syd. She's the oldest and she's the one who hears and brings the behavior and phrases home. I am the hardest on her because I keep telling myself that if I can end it with her, it will save me the energy to have to end it with the other 4. (poor first born)
It started with, "I hate you" I was DEVASTATED. I would have NEVER said that to my mother. Especially at 6.She was put in time out each and every time and as it became a trend I knew that it was time to put an end to this.
I jumped online, buried my nose in books. Everyone said, it's very normal, ignore the behavior - or you can wait until you have a calm moment and explain how that hurts your feelings and that it's not something you should say to people.So I did this. It actually did wear off and she nearly stopped saying it. You know, over every request and thing that I did or didn't do to her exact specifications. She saved it for those huge tantrum moments when I was removing her from off of the top of her brother, the pool, the playground, any place where lots of other mothers with well obedient children who would never THINK of saying let alone say "I hate you" to their mothers are.
Soon enough, the phrase was passed down. aaaah. Cameron was first to say it. Spencer is now the one with the "POWER OF WORDS" (thunder, lightening)
Next up, stupid. It was brought to the table right up front that the word stupid was not acceptable and would not be said in our house. Maybe that was where I made my mistake. It started out slow and then was practiced on each other. Then. nobody was spared. "You're stupid"
Now to me, those is fightin words. Call me a bitch. Call me flabby fat and lazy.....but stupid ! I had learned. I had read about this. Don't give them the power by reacting. Each and every time the word was said they were reminded that we don't say that in our family and put in time out.
There I was. staying calm. staying unfazed. deflecting the looks of the other mothers who couldn't understand why they didn't hear the slap of a child's face.
Even as I sit here I can say that the word stupid has been said in my house today.
I revamped the B(our last name) bucks program. Time outs weren't working (I'll get to that more in a minute) so I decided to reward more and take away even more than that. :)
They earn b-bucks for getting dressed in the morning,..brushing their teeth....making their beds (the boys with a little help) and eating their breakfast and cleaning up their plates.
They earn them for sharing, being kind, and helping out, anything I deem special and above and beyond. (and when I say that I deem it, usually they tell me...I didn't hit him, I get a b-bucks:)They were rewarded and able to use their B-bucks to purchase T.V time in the morning. If they did everything on their list they would earn just enough b-bucks to buy TV time until 9:30 am. If they didn't get it done until 9:25.....then they only got to watch 5 minutes of TV. If we ever let them have a movie, they had to have enough b-bucks. If we went to the gym or swimming or to the store. They were made to pay.
They also had b-bucks taken away for all of the wrongs. hitting, calling names, saying I hate you and you are stupid.
It was working. It was getting better.
and then it wasn't.
I kept studying. I kept taking things from the other programs people practiced. One of them was Positive Discipline. There are lots of different books and ideas....but the principle's are about the same.
Treat your children with kindness and respect. No more time outs, they are just a power struggle any ways.
What I found was how controlling I am. It's all my fault. My children are terrible and I'm making it worse.OH MAW GAW ! I have to change. So for a week I tried implementing this program. I waited until after things calmed down to listen. I didn't put offenders in time out. I tried soothing and understanding.
By about day 3 1/2 I was ready to BLOW A FUCKING GASKET ! Things were TERRIBLE. They were out of control. and because mommy wasn't using her angry voice we can get away with absolute MURDER. I am not one to hold things in. I will in fact combust. By day 4 I was crying more than I wasn't. (real live tears people) I was sure that my children were the worst kids ever and that it was all my fault. by day 5 I was a zombie. I couldn't do the simplest tasks like wipe my own ass. ok. so that was a bad example. but I seriously felt depressed.
on day 6 I finally blew. up. at Sydney. I was 2 inches from her face and I even think there was movement from the hair on her head each time I yelled. I grabbed her arms and then when I thought that I was about to squeeze them off of her body I would bury my face in my hands in the bed and then grab her up again. I told her that she would NOT tell me that she hated me. To leave her brothers alone. To just STOP. That I wasn't going to deal with it ANY MORE !
She hasn't said it to me again.Spencer was next. It wasn't quite as bad but it was ugly. kind of the tail end of Sydney's fight. "YOU WILL NOT SAY, I HATE YOU, to me ANYMORE" ok mommy.
The next day he said, "I hate you" I turned and said, "what did you just say?" he quickly replied, "I love you
Cam was the last to see my wrath. It had been unraveling for a week. He told me that I was stupid. I came unglued. again with the 2 inches from his face screaming. I put him in his room and slammed his door shut.
I was cooking dinner and the babies were up to NO GOOD and my temper was still flying from the fight with Cam 5 minutes earlier. I headed down the hall and pulled the babies out of the closet. Cam opened his door and said, "You're stupid mama" and then slammed his door. (I know you are thinking....oh no he didn't) so I said, "What did you just say ?" I asked almost because I couldn't imagine that he would have the nerve to say it again. Sure enough, "I saaaaid, you stupid mommy"
I grabbed one arm and spanked his nearly naked ass with 2 good slaps. (he was only wearing underwear) It felt good. With clenched teeth I said ...".never again Cam. I'm sick of it" He was crying and I didn't care and I slammed his door behind me. The pressure from the door must have blown my feelings back up through my ass and in to my heart because that's when I immediately felt guilt and shame and was sure that all of this ranting was going to ruin my children for sure.
Call it the honeymoon period. I'm sure that's what it is. but these mother fuckers are being so good. They haven't said anything disrespectful. and other than the huge tantrum Sydney threw (in front of everyone, of course) at the pool last night because she wasn't ready to leave. things have been good.
I told J last night that I'm headed back to 1-2-3 magic, mixed with b-bucks and a dash of positive discipline.
1-2-3 magic is for me, not the kids. It helps keep me and my emotions in check. The b-bucks also works for us. sometimes you need to be able to hold them responsible and time outs are SO hard at our house. There was no good segue in to this so I'll just tell you. I would have to be elasti-fucking-woman in order to put my children in time out. If two are fighting and need to be separated. FINE. but then the 3rd and 4th and even 5th start in. and then the 1st comes out to beat up the 3rd one for teasing while the 2nd one has run in to the living room to join the 4th and 5th to continue taunting the 1st one for the original offense and while breaking up 1 and 3......who won't stay in time out...is when I realize 2 escaped and has now added 4 and 5 to the offenders.
yes, it is SERIOUSLY this hard for me. and I've made threats and I've taken toys and tags and binky's and trips to the store away. Sure 1 out of 3 times I can stop them with threats...but I swear they were born to fight with each other. To tease each other.
I don't see this getting better or easier. In fact, I can pretty much tell you that in 10 years I'm going to be on a milk carton never to be seen or heard from again. Raising kids is hard. Some days it's IMPOSSIBLE. There are so many challenges and things to consider with each child that it makes my head spin.
I'm going to keep looking for the key to my family. I'm going to keep asking for advice. and I hope more than just pat me on the back, you will give me some of your guidance and tips. Some of the things that worked for you and your kids.
note : If you comment and say that your kids never hit or say mean things and that you have just been consistent and that seems to be what worked for you. I will print your comment, delete it and then tear in to tiny little pieces, I will then start a small fire in my sink with the scraps that your comments once were and put out the embers with my spit. Then I will watch and smile as the water washes it all down the drain.
ok.

35 comments:
I love you and think your amazing!!!
AND I've been there with the in your face 2in and smacked butt and then all the horrid, self loathing for lack of control!!
Do you feel better now? I know I would!
I love that you're so honest, it's very refreshing :)
And I think that you are one hell of a woman to be raising five children under 7!!
I will never forget the day I spanked my daughter on her way out to the car for church. I cried the whole way there.
I dont know how you do it with 5!!!
Hang in there mama! I, for a fact, know that you are an amazing mother! I look up to you for all you are and all that you deal with everyday. Remember, it was my own daughter who still comments on what a great mom you are and asks daily to come to your house!!
Your amazing!
I know I hate the phrase - I hate you mommy and Stupid. I hate those!!! our kids know it is not unacceptable!
I used Magic 1-2-3 with Mikaela. It seems to work. with Kyron - half and half. Some days it works and other days - pffttt..
Hugs....
I have absolutely no advice, I just wanted to say OMG, the word "stupid" makes me INSANE! I just about lose it when my kid says it too. Thanks Disney! They say it in every movie! Along with "idiot" which is also lovely.
Riley already hits me. And she's only 10 months old. This parenting thing is HARD. You are amazing and doing an incredible job. Some days are better than others and I am so impressed that you are working so hard to find what works for YOUR family.
ok seriously, that picture is one of the cutest i've seen! how did you get them all to look AND mostly pose??
and this post made me laugh so many times out loud i lost count. mel just had a great suggestion! why don't you call super nanny. maybe prime time is ready for a lesbian couple with a whole lotta kids!! surely she's got tricks up her sleeves to help with how badly you're out numbered; that is definitely your biggest problem!
Now thats what Im talkin bout! My mom beat the hell shit out of me when I was kid. I WISH I only got two smacks on the buttocks.
THIS IS REAL!
I'm with ya sister! Nasty mean words must be some rite of passage . . . just wait 'til Syd is in first grade. It's a daily conflict in my house.
I'm at my wits end with my boys, 6 & 3 years - they get mad at each other and start beating, kicking, and punching like ultimate fighters!
I used to send them to their own rooms to cool off, but I'm to the point now where I just want them to beat the crap out of each other so it will STOP! Yesterday I told them to take their argument/fight to the playroom and finish it. If someone started crying, they had to go to their rooms. They found it hilarious and couldn't even remember why they were fighting.
You are a fabulous mom, I love your honesty . . . the fact that I can relate, almost to a T, makes me feel very normal. Thank you.
Mark and I always wonder how you guys do it. I seriously am amazed!!! Send those boys over to play! Thanks for letting Max come over. He loves your boys! It gets better, I promise. It is hard when they are little. You are not alone. We've all been there before. Don't you hate it when everyone tells you to cherish your kids because they grow up way too fast? Well, sometimes it doesn't happen fast enough. haha! I know we'll all look back on these times and laugh. We will. I know it!
I only have one, and some days I wonder why. Its sooo hard, and I feel like I'm doing a terrible job for the most part. She doesn't say, "I hate you" yet, she has started to scream. Makes me want to give her something to scream about, I know why mothers kill....never could understand it before. Why would I want another one?
I have no words of advice - only sympathy pains. With having older siblings, the younger ones say things that the older ones didn't. They make such great role models at times for their younger sibs. Yes, we are unlucky and Gryfinn is also in the 'I hate you' phase and it makes me want to scream. He will say it, and know I'm about to flip, then he will look at me, scrunch up his face, give a silly grin and say 'I love you Mom!'. I still want to knock him out for saying hate, but that does lessen the murderous rage. Yeah, suipid is also something the big boys have taught Gryfinn - but he hasn't really taken to it, thank goodness.
Hang in there! You are doing a great job. We have 4 kids, but they are spaced out over 12 years. I could not imagine having 2 3 year olds and 2 1 year olds - all at the same time! 1 3 year old and 1 1 year old is enough, and at times too much!
I LOVE YOU!!! Shit, I do'nt even know you but your posts crack me the hell up and right now i need some cracking up. i work with kids all day long, and you say some things out loud that i only WISH i could say . . .anyways. i am glad you are finding 123 magic to work. i have had really good success with it. though to share a story, i had one kid with down's that i was watching, and the word of the week was FUCK . . .well, he would get on TOP of the jungle gym and scream fffffuuuuuuucccK. great emphasis on the K--which he would hold for about 5 seconds! yeah, this was nice . . .
kids . . .so glad yours are really cute or i'd be worried about ya!
I don't think Syd has ever been the recipient of a big blow up but Layne sure has. One of those where you both walk away crying. I have even had moments with Layne where I was afraid to spank her because I might hurt her. I wish I had some good answers here. My only advice is to get a Meredith. That is how I deal with Layne when she gets to much for me. That and locking her in her room for the duration of her fits (which are mind blowing). Stupid is also a big no no in our house so Layne spent several months saying, "stupeee" She would say, "I can't say stupid but I can say stupeee." She kinda had us on that one but it is over now. I'll pray for you but I honestly have no idea how you can do 5 kids. Just think about how awesome it will be when they are all grown up, married, and have kids. You guys will have so much fun. You just have to get from here to there....good luck!
Love it! Thanks for being so honest. I can relate to every moment you stated. You are amazing to deal with all 5. I only have 3 (ages 6,3 & 1) and some days I am going insane.
Thanks for being so honest!
You seriously had me laughing so many times!
Beth
My heart goes out to you. (and, like others, I applaud your honesty). Raising children is so unbelievably hard, sometimes impossible. I wish I knew more of what to say to help. I read a book that I really liked and found to be very helpful with my kids. (but, by the sounds of it, you're probably already an expert on it). It's called "Setting Limits with your Strong Willed Child". If anything, tell yourself that your kids are so strong because you are. It's a good quality to have, they just need to learn how to manage it. And, they will.
I have followed your story for a while- first time commenting.
I hear ya. While I can only imagine the struggles you go through with five kiddos - I have 2 year old twins - and have had a heck of week with them. Kuddos to you for all you do - and thank you for reminding me that we are not in this alone.
so sorry it's rough. i get those moments of wanting to harm your kids. i think we've all been there. omg when jackson was fussing all night and i just wanted some fucking sleep, watch out.
we all feel guilty when we lose our cool but we're human. i don't think it harms our kids. no one is perfect and that's a good lesson for them to learn. no one, not even mama.
sometimes we want kids to behave perfectly but they're kids and they're testing and little balls of energy...not easy. hugs to you and your beautiful family. one day you'll look back and laugh--trust me. we often sit back and talk about how naughty my siblings were sometimes and just laugh about it, even though i was ready to smack them at the time. i blew up at them as a teenager when they'd fight and they don't even remember it. lol
i feel like you are talking about my children! Ha~ can't they be such little buttheads sometimes! I am in that boat too...i have 4 boys~ 12, 7, 5,& 2 1/2. i feel like some days all i am is a mean evil mama, and all i do is break up fights, and try to keep them in timeout{which dosen't work on my kids either} and then my husband will chime in on how they are just acting the way i do. thanks honey! glad to know i am not the only one that struggles with children behaving kindly :) if it makes you feel any better, my kids have said they hate me too~ sometimes i want to say it back {i know real mature} i am sure you are doing a fantastic job and i really enjoy reading your blog~ you crack me up! much love and blessings from ga~erin
We have the samer rules with "stupid" and "hate" We went through a phase with Cam where we were constantly telling him we don't use those words in our family. Finally he has backed off and we haven't heard it for awhile. I think it is age for Syd but you also have 3 year olds who repeat and they feed off eachother. You are just out numbered and it is hard. I swear 3 was so hard. I remeber taking everything except the bed out of Cam's room when he was 3. I just had enough. Then I made him sit in there all day with nothing to play with. Then I made him earn his stuff back one by one. Dr. Phil says that stuff is a priviledge and kids can have it taken. So I tried that. I felt really bad about making him sit there all day with nothing, and I am not even sure why I did it or what he did. Anyway I watch 5 kids all day and they are pretty good for the most part. When they fight I take the toys they are fighting over or I split them all up.
Parenting is the HARDEST job in the world. It will get better though, like when they move out!
I love you. Let me count the ways...
You show me that no one way can work for every one/family.
You make me laugh
You scare the heck out of me with a glimps of what I have to look forward too
You teach me
I only have 2 kids but can relate. my 6 yr old went thru the " your mean" thing for about 3 weeks, finally after a few squirts of hot sauce on her tongue, a smack on her behind and the screaming inches from her face - she hasn't said it since. I did feel horrible afterwards but I couldn't take it anymore. it seems to have worked..... for now =)
Oh KJ... I'm gonna save a spot for you in my dream parenting group. You are so real and awesome. I think you are doing a great job - you are seeking out ways to find your balance. Keep at it. Keep being honest. Parenting multiples is a whole other ballgame - I'm just not sure there is ONE method that works. How can you implement some of the methods when you are constantly being a ref AND a coach? It's hard, I struggle with just three. You have FIVE. F-I-V-E. 1-2-3-4-5. Don't be too hard on yourself - you love your kids and you are teaching them so much in your own journey here.
Hi, long time reader first time commenter...
My Middle son will be the death of me. Nothing and I mean nothing worked with him...Took the special blanket, allowance, tv time, outside time...you name he lost it. Finally, I made him sit in the bathroom with a bar of soap in his mouth (think christmas carol) He hasnt even called the dog stupid since.
the best advice I ever got...don't give up, because that's when you truly lose. As they change your method will change. Just like every relationship...Mother - child is ever evolving.
Keep up the fantastic job!
So that's wher my kids get it... (from yours). Ha ha ha, we all know better than that. God bless 1 2 3 Magic - Do you need the book back, please no - well I guess I could go purchase it myself.
Bless your heart. I think changing methods is a good idea. And sometimes NOTHING works. You are a great mom, keep up the good work.
Your last paragraph cracked me the hell up!
This post got me thinking...If we have another kid, will Maddie learn to pick on her sibling instead of us? Tonight she smacked me in the face so I put her in Time Out and then explained to her that hitting her moms is never going to be allowed and it will always get her in Time Out and that it hurts her mommies when she does that. She gave me her sad little "I po'gize" which she automatically thinks is her ticket out of TO then ran past me. Not 2 hours later, I was trying to get her to brush her teeth before bed and she smacked me again, several little quick slaps. So, yeah I can relate to Time Outs not working, though for different reasons. Since you asked for tips though I'll share one thing that has been working with us.
Choices.
I find that when Maddie is out of control whining or crying or screaming, if I loudly and sternly get her attention and explain her 2 choices, she will pay attention and she will calm down and choose. Example: it's nearing bedtime and I want Maddie to brush her teeth. She knows it means bedtime and she immediately starts whining "NO, want TV!" And the whine quickly starts to escalate so I quickly and loudly say "MADDIE! HERE ARE YOUR CHOICES....you can brush your teeth and then watch five more minutes of TV before bed OR you can keep whining and crying, you still have to brush your teeth and no more TV, just straight to bed." She then stops whining to consider, and then in her happy chipper voice says "Oh, go brush teeth!"
I use choices all the time, with so many scenarios. Today my mom came over and immediately Maddie wanted to play with Play-Do. Mom told her "in a little bit" and Maddie started her tantrum (over such a little thing she'll stand up stiff and tall, clench her fists and you can almost see her little body trembling as she tenses up). I gave her choices "Maddie you can be nice and wait just a little while and grandma will play play-do with you, or you can continue crying and screaming and there will be no play-do." She thought about then smiled and said "I wait" then went about playing. When we're leaving the park and she screams 'cause she doesn't want to leave I say "Maddie, you can stop crying and fighting and leave now with Mommy and we'll come back real soon and play more, or you can keep fussing and crying, we're still going to leave the park, but I'm not going to bring you back for a long time." Then I explain how she'll get to go to the park way more if she's nice 'cause it's so much better to be out with her when she's nice. "It's no fun for mommy to bring you here if you cry and whine."
I know these choices are in regard to issues much more mild than "I hate you" or "you're stupid." And I'm sure that as Maddie gets older, those words will fly out of her mouth and she's not going to give a damn what her choices are. But, I'm so amazed that it's been working (in most instances) that I wanted to share.
I think you are a terrific mom and bless you for sharing your stories and your life so honestly.
Ok, seriously.... as I was reading your blog I was trying so hard to have a little sympathy for you (even though, when we worked together you were always giving me advice about my kids, older kids, but still) I found myself laughing my butt off. Not because Karma is a good thing hehehehe... oh no, just because everything you write is so damn funny.... I really hope you have a publicist because you should publish a book of your blogs. You could make millions, hire nanny's and life would be good again. You have a talent girl... Love Always, Corina
I think you are amazing BECAUSE you keep looking for that key that works for you!
My kids hit, they say mean things, one of them has major ATTITUDE, and they all have their days. But more than that and more often than not... they ARE kind to one another, they love one another and they show it. That is really what defines them.
I think you are doing great by flat out saying... XYZ is unacceptable... period.
I can totally imagine how difficult time outs are for you. Are you attempting it with all 5? Or the older 3? I think doing it with the younger ones would be a real challenge. All 3 of the older kids should be able to respect you and the house rules.
A recent story about stupid. :)
Our girls (7 1/2) have discovered cootie catcher's... though I'm sure they didn't call them that. Carie remembered that name from her childhood days. So last week she made those with all the daycare kids after school one day.
Daycare child (6 1/2 yo girl - twin) was working on her version and wrote the fortunes on the inside. She then proceeded to go seek out her twin brother to get him to play along with her. While playing she easily convinced him to select a particular option that would give her an opportunity to tell him he was stupid.
We didn't hear this part as it played out... but then we heard the daycare boy talking about the word stupid and then of course Spencer (4 1/2) chimed in. Oh boy, both Carie and I flew off the handle. Perhaps a bit too far off the handle? :)
We quickly got to the bottom of what happened and the girl got a nice talkin' to, did time in time out, had to apologize to us and her brother, etc... at which point she lost it BECAUSE she just didn't get it. She simply couldn't comprehend how hurtful it is.
Her apology to her brother went well because he could totally care less... and it was clear that she really didn't mean it. They are forever mean to each other and their mother is more worried about their life being "fair" than worried about how they treat each other. Regardless, they know the rules of our house and for the most part they respect those rules. But it was a long/hard process getting there! In the end, they respect Carie (and I) far more than any respect they ever show their parents (in public).
Later that night our girls brought up the topic and we had a great conversation. They thought perhaps the girl shouldn't have gotten in trouble. After all, her brother had done something to hurt her one day (who knows when?) at home and so perhaps he "deserved it". It's only fair! Yeah, that particular daycare girl is also a great manipulator and loves to twist any story to her favor.
Sigh! But it was a great teaching moment!
Ok so why do I feel so overwhelmed with one and you are doing it with 5!! I swear you must be a superhero! There is no way I can even complain about my one little man that causes me such stress when he acts out becuase that doesn't even compare to you! So I will just say that you are an amazing mom and I SOOOOOO look up to you!
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